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13th-Nov-2013 09:30 pm
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Evidently, my problem in previous playthroughs of Final Fantasy VII was not having Yuffie in my second party member slot. She comments on everything and it's hilarious. I loved how deeply unimpressed she was on first meeting Vincent. I've never understood why people 'ship them; maybe that's part of it? It did make me think they could have quite a fun dynamic, even if I'm still a long way from 'shipping it myself.

One thing Final Fantasy VII does rather well is giving all the characters their own backstories and relevance. It's a particularly strong contrast to VIII, where all the characters' stories are essentially the same. It's quite nice to have these little sidequests - Cosmo Canyon, Wutai - that are centred on getting to know a member of your party better.

That said, the localisation problems continue to make immersion impossible (although I have no criticism of the line in my post title, which is pure gold) and there are some moments of truly atrocious game design, so I haven't entirely embraced VII yet. Despite that amazing scene where Cloud plays a prince in a pantomime and then pirouettes off the stage.

(And yet Cloud is always portrayed as INCREDIBLY SERIOUS, NO FUN ALLOWED in official materials nowadays! It's a shame.)

The worst offence so far, game-design-wise: finding the Keystone. You get the Tiny Bronco and go 'well, we don't really know how to reach the Temple of the Ancients; let's just look for information.' In the absence of specific advice on where to go, anyone who's ever played a game before knows that you need to go to wherever you couldn't get to before, i.e. Bone Village.

BUT NO. All you learn at Bone Village is that you need a Keystone and, quote, 'some rich guy has it'. THANKS, BONE VILLAGE. What you're actually supposed to do is go back to a little house you visited ages ago that had nobody in it, because now the owner is suddenly home (there's no reason for you to know this), and he will tell you which specific rich guy has the stone.

Really, Final Fantasy VII? The White SeeD ship in VIII was bad, but at least they told you which continent you were supposed to be looking on!
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15th-Nov-2013 07:21 am (UTC)
Having literally JUST finished my 3rd or 4th playthrough of FFVII (first time in several years), you've hit several points that I've been talking about with friends, too! Namely:

One thing Final Fantasy VII does rather well is giving all the characters their own backstories and relevance. It's a particularly strong contrast to VIII, where all the characters' stories are essentially the same. It's quite nice to have these little sidequests - Cosmo Canyon, Wutai - that are centred on getting to know a member of your party better.

Fully agree! I was describing to a friend how FFVII's characters' backstories are all so much more fleshed out than those of the FFVIII characters', which all basically boil down to: grew up in the same orphanage, have GF-induced amnesia, wah. (I love FFVIII, as you know, but still - definitely doesn't match the diversity and rounded nature of the FFVII characters' backstories)

2nd: YES, trying to figure out where to go after you get the Tiny Bronco is one of the worst designed moments in the game. I think they were trying to encourage you to explore the world, but the Tiny Bronco is a frustrating way to go about doing so.

3rd: Cloud pirouetting off the stage is one of my favorite things ever. Why don't I have a GIF of him pirouetting endlessly yet...?

3rd.2: Also, I love Cloud's completely irreverent comments at several points in the game, though none of them pop to mind at the moment...all the post-main-game material portrays him as being incredibly emo and sad, when he's actually quite hilarious in the original game.

4th: Re: Yuffie/Vincent - I've never actually heard her comments when you get Vincent! I had Aeris and Tifa in my party, and usually do, so...I clearly missed out. I've always loved how the party has their various reasons for coming along - Tifa for Cloud; Barret for AVALANCHE/the Planet; Cait Sith for Shinra/Midgar's people; Vincent for...Lucretia, I guess; Cid as a sort of F-you to Shinra for cancelling the space program; Aeris to save the Planet - but then Yuffie is there *initially* to steal your materia, and then is mostly like, "ef this, I'm here for Wutai/your materia" and generally doesn't care for what the rest of the party is doing. XD Cid is also hilarious for this reason (him falling asleep randomly, cussing at everyone, and his walk cycle...)

Also, maybe the reason people ship Vincent/Yuffie is because they're both secret characters? I understand Cid/Vincent, but...Vincent/Yuffie is a bit beyond me. XD

<3 FFVII is one of my favorite games, especially because of its flaws, but mostly because of its awesome characters, world design, and backstory. <3

**Wolf**
15th-Nov-2013 08:53 pm (UTC)
It's nice to be appreciating VII's good points this time around! I'm glad I made the decision to push the frustrating parts of the fandom out of my mind and give it another chance.

3rd: That would be the perfect GIF. Surely it must exist somewhere?

3rd.2: I think my favourite line in the game so far is Cloud telling Barret he can't just run off into danger alone 'because if you die on me, I'm gonna have nightmares'. It's the perfect thing to say: it's sort of a joke, because Barret would probably reject anything too sincere, but it's also a reminder to Barret that people care about him.

4th: When Vincent refuses to tell his story of how he knows Sephiroth, Yuffie says, 'Oh, that's okay. It was probably depressing anyway.' Later:

Vincent: There was no way to cancel the experiment. I couldn't stop her. That was my sin. I let the one I loved, the one I respected most, face the worst.
Yuffie: OK. Boring story no. 1.

When he finally decides to go with you, Yuffie's response is, 'Huh? Oh, great, just what I needed.' Basically, her presence in that scene improved it fivefold for me.

(CID'S WALK CYCLE IS HILARIOUS. I'd forgotten how ridiculous it was!)
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