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A Climax In More Ways Than One. 
17th-Dec-2013 11:15 pm
the end
Well, the Mentalist episode 'Red John' (6.08) just aired over here. Here is a very spoilery entry about it.

First, my notes on the two episodes leading up to this:

When Jane gathers all his Red John suspects in one place ('Fire and Brimstone'), you know what's going to happen. He's going to try to trick Red John into revealing himself with a clever bit of psychological manipulation. Because that's what Jane does, right? It's what he's always done. When he gathers a lot of people in one place, that's invariably his plan.

But not this time. He gathers all his suspects in one place so he can take them all hostage with a shotgun.

Jane continues to delight me more with every horrifying thing he does.

'The Great Red Dragon', by contrast, did not delight me; it caused me immense distress. THEY TOOK AWAY JANE'S COUCH.



I was genuinely surprised by the depths of my horror when I realised they were taking the couch. I wasn't prepared for this!


And then there was the episode 'Red John', and, well, holy shit.

Sadly, I'd been sort-of spoiled for this episode in that I was aware that the episode following it was titled 'My Blue Heaven' (it's not easy to avoid episode titles for half a month after the episode airs in America!). When every single episode for six years has had a red-themed title, that's a fairly clear indication that the central storyline is coming to an end. (I was half-hoping that Jane would kill Red John and immediately afterwards discover that, oh no, now they have to deal with Blue John.)

But still, even though I knew it was coming in some form, that was a hell of an ending.

Please, please, please, please, please tell me that I'm not the only person who thought Jane came as he choked Red John to death. Please. Perhaps he didn't literally come, but I definitely felt that there was something deliberately orgasmic in the portrayal of that moment. BUT I CANNOT FIND ANYONE ELSE WHO SHARES THIS OPINION, SO POSSIBLY I AM JUST REALLY MESSED UP.

I did, however, find this intriguing quote from an interview with Simon Baker, regarding that scene (warning: it looks like the full interview contains details from the next episode and possibly episodes further on; I only skimmed it, but I've already caught sight of something I'd have preferred not to know in advance):

It just had to be the two of them. It was almost like a love scene, as perverse as that sounds. The end of Red John was originally planned to take place at night on the street with people watching, but I pushed to do it in a quiet, beautiful place where they could be alone. There is no human act more intimate — not even sex — than killing another human being with your bare hands and watching him die.

I was so glad the death was so intimate. It really needed to be. I thought for a moment that Jane was just going to shoot him, and that wouldn't have felt right. Straddling Red John and killing him with his bare hands: that was how this needed to end. I'm terrifying myself by typing this, but it's true.

My head is currently a mess of GOD JANE IS SO MESSED UP AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN JANE AND RED JOHN IS SO FASCINATING AND PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET ME NOT BE THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT JANE FOUND SOME SORT OF SEXUAL RELEASE IN MURDERING A MAN and I really don't know how to cope with any of this. I cannot imagine where The Mentalist is going to go from here, but I'm tentatively looking forward to finding out.

(EDIT: I forgot to mention the bit where Jane has the gun trained on Red John for a long while, and Red John tries to sway him from killing him, and Jane says, 'Oh, I'm not hesitating; I'm just savouring the moment.' SO MESSED UP. I adore him.)

In conclusion, I have no idea what to say in conclusion and I beg you to stop looking at me like that.
17th-Dec-2013 11:27 pm (UTC)
You know what I love? How you can be such a sweet, charming, adorable, kind person, and not only pick up on, but be deeply fascinated by disturbing character dynamics as much as I am, or sometimes even more so. It's somewhat reassuring, and immense fun to watch.
17th-Dec-2013 11:34 pm (UTC)
It's extremely kind of you to reassure me that I'm not a terrible person when I'm in the middle of, er, being a terrible person. Have you seen the episode yourself? I'm not sure whether you'll want to hear this, but it made me think of you.
17th-Dec-2013 11:37 pm (UTC)
No, I'm way behind on the current season. I would pretend to be offended that it made you think of me, but your description has just persuaded me to track down and catch up on the sixth season, so I should probably just own it. (Also, I'm really wondering if, after Red John, Jane's gotten the worst of it out of his system, or he's now developed more of a taste for that kind of thing and has no obvious outlet.)
18th-Dec-2013 12:08 am (UTC)
Also, I looked things up on Wikipedia, and one of the people listed as performing Red John was Simon Baker. (He did the Red John voice for a lot of episodes.)
18th-Dec-2013 07:26 pm (UTC)
Please, please, please, please, please tell me that I'm not the only person who thought Jane came as he choked Red John to death.

YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE! Between the way that it was framed - with only Jane's face visible - and how Simon Baker played the scene, it absolutely looked like Jane was getting off on killing RJ. I was reminded of one post-"Strawberries and Cream" interview where Bruno heller (or possibly Simon Baker) where he described Jane's feelings after killing Red John (or fake RJ, as it turned out) as "post-coital depression".
18th-Dec-2013 08:42 pm (UTC)

I loved that 'post-coital depression' comment! Everything about the Jane/Red John dynamic is so fascinating and unsettling. I'm going to miss it.
21st-Dec-2013 01:33 pm (UTC)
Never having seen The Mentalist, I will now ship Patrick Jane with Derren Brown.
21st-Dec-2013 04:13 pm (UTC)
There are many reasons why one might 'ship Patrick Jane with Derren Brown, but I'm not sure which of those reasons you're getting from this entry. Is it just that they both have an incredibly creepy side?
21st-Dec-2013 05:30 pm (UTC)
They're both into psychological manipulation, plan ahead and get off on slightly weird things.
22nd-Dec-2013 06:02 pm (UTC)
I had taken very early Heller statements about redemption being a major theme, to mean that Lisbon might ultimately win out in the "kill-him, arrest-him" argument. But Bosco's "kill the son of a bitch" made me doubt that. Then this season, Hightower's "you better be telling me Red John is dead" sealed it. I expected Jane to kill him, the strangling surprised me, but it seemed right within the story. To me, Jane looked on the verge of simultaneous orgasm and sobbing breakdown, to the point that I held my breath when he pointed the gun almost at himself. And then I thought, "At least he didn't 'cut him open and watch him die slowly'." Yes, messed up, dark, complicated, fascinating, hilarious, adorable, and I am addicted to him.

Also: Go, SCU! Stand up to outnumbering Feebs to give Jane his chance at RJ! That scene immediately may me think of your Jane/everyone idea and "Point Five".

22nd-Dec-2013 06:38 pm (UTC)
I wasn't surprised that Jane killed Red John (given that he already killed someone he thought was Red John and has been becoming steadily more terrifying since then), but I was a little surprised that, in the end, Lisbon let her principles slip and helped him. I suppose by that point Red John felt like a very real threat to more or less everyone she cared about, though, which probably made it hard to stay objective.

It's nice to meet you, by the way! Always a bit worrying when someone comes into my journal on an entry like this one, but I'm glad the discussion of murder-induced orgasm doesn't seem to have put you off. 'Jane looked on the verge of simultaneous orgasm and sobbing breakdown' sounds exactly right to me.
22nd-Dec-2013 07:42 pm (UTC)
I have been more or less following all the good TM discussions I can find for years. The few folks I know in RL who watch are not into more than the occasional 2-minute discussion the day after an episode. I don't often comment because you good folks have usually already discussed what I thought of on my own plus a bunch more. I'm most apt to join in with fact-checking stuff (my science background, I guess).

I showed up briefly several years ago as an Anonymous in your LiveJournal comments on "Point Five", recommending oroburos69's stories. It turned out they'd been written at your request. In fact, since you hadn't written much on TM for quite a while, I hadn't checked this season. When the team pulled guns on the FBI for Jane, I immediately thought "Jane loves the team, and they love him!" So of course I had to find you again in my bookmarks.
22nd-Dec-2013 11:39 pm (UTC)
I'm extremely pleased to be thought of when Jane and the team are being particularly in love! I hope that Van Pelt and Rigsby's marriage doesn't deter Jane from his occasional weird semi-flirtatious moments. It seems unlikely that The Mentalist is working towards a sexless five-way romance (or six-way, as I'm pretty convinced that Jane's love for the team extends to Hightower), but I can dream.
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